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Thomas More

I have no idea.

Great questions though!

The only direction I can think of is the carrot/stick. If you can entice them with some concept of self gain, or pain, you'll probably have more luck than with altruism.

That said, the other trap out there is that the ladies pick up the guys' messes. If they are supposed to do something and don't, let them FAIL. Let them suffer the consequences of not fulfilling their role. That's the only way the will learn. Too often they learn that if they duck their duty, 'mom' will rush in and fix it.

If their failure affects your ability to do your job, then you have a bigger problem. But look for ways to let them fall in the mud. Just don't let the mud splash on you!

Good luck!

Philomena

I got an interesting idea from someone who was too shy to post a comment so he emailed me privately. His suggestion was that this adolescent behaviour is tied to mens need for respect and when they feel disrespected, they become resentful and act childishly (which actually gets them even less respect). That certainly makes sense in my work environment and might explain why this is "a guy thing". ?

Didymus

Philomena,
Great post and great questions.
It sounds like abdication to me. We have somehow confused ease/comfort and a lack of effort w/ the good life. It is a lie. Life is very difficult. But the only way through it is "in" it, to dive in and offer your best. I am tempted to allow my inner adolescent run free when I'm tired of pushing against life. I want to check out.

I hope that most of the men you are thinking of are single - bc the best cure for this in my experience is marriage.

I also have to wonder, if we live in a world where childhood is so short and shallow and adolescence so sexualized and cynical if some men get to 30 and realize in trying to grow up so fast they too quickly got to the hardest part of life. And are trying to find it now???

Didymus

Beth

Men need to be needed. Yes, I can carry my own bags, open my own doors, stand up in the subway after a long day. And men have been told they are sexist if they are gallant.

So, create a need. (It works in building community, too). 'Can you help me?' Sound manipulative? Then think of something you really do need help with - or break something on purpose if you have to!

Flash a smile, expect him to be the man. I asked a young man to help a friend carry her baby in a baby stroller down a flight of stairs in NYC this week. Of course he did it; I knew his mother had raised him right, and he responded in kind.

Beth

Beth

Men need to be needed. Yes, I can carry my own bags, open my own doors, stand up in the subway after a long day. And men have been told they are sexist if they are gallant.

So, create a need. (It works in building community, too). 'Can you help me?' Sound manipulative? Then think of something you really do need help with - or break something on purpose if you have to!

Flash a smile, expect him to be the man. I asked a young man to help a friend carry her baby in a baby stroller down a flight of stairs in NYC this week. Of course he did it; I knew his mother had raised him right, and he responded in kind.

Beth

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